Class warfare against the rich
In today's Oregonian is a story covering New York Times reporter David Cay Johnston's speech on our country's tax code.
If you can get past the ridiculous hyperbole -- a "progressive" tax system is a bedrock principle of democracies, and the U.S. system is so skewed to the rich that the government may not survive -- you might see a hole in Mr. Johnston's rant. You know, the one about how the rich don't pay enough in taxes.
Let's take this paragraph from the story to illustrate:
If I make $176 million every year and pay 17 percent of my income to the federal government, that's $80,000 shy of thirty million dollars that goes to pay for our supposedly-collapsing federal system.
If I make $200,000 a year, I pay $34,000 a year to the feds. Who's paying more? I bet I could ask my second-grade daughter and she'd know the answer.
Let's assume that the average taxpayer earns $40,000 a year, and thus (according to Johnston) pays 15 percent of his or her income to the IRS. That's $6,000. Which is more -- $34,000 or $6,000? Again, not a difficult question.
And this doesn't even count what those people pay in state and local taxes.
Yes, I understand that in each of those examples, they are left with a decent amount of spendable cash -- $146 million, $166,000 and $34,000, respectively. Yes, I understand that the lower the income, the less take-home pay that's left, and that could be a big burden for low-income households. I sympathize. I've been there. Not that long ago. And frankly, our tax code takes that into account.
My point is this: those who claim the rich aren't paying their fair share don't think about the fact that the rich are paying a boatload of taxes that a typical schmoe like you or me will never see as income, never mind tax burden. When's the last time you wrote a $30 million check to the IRS?
It's kind of like those people who chastise society for not supporting schools. They don't think about the fact that society is already paying to support schools, and may not want to pay more. But that's another story for another time.
If you can get past the ridiculous hyperbole -- a "progressive" tax system is a bedrock principle of democracies, and the U.S. system is so skewed to the rich that the government may not survive -- you might see a hole in Mr. Johnston's rant. You know, the one about how the rich don't pay enough in taxes.
Let's take this paragraph from the story to illustrate:
But in the past decade, Presidents Clinton and Bush enacted huge tax cuts skewed toward the rich, he said. As a result, the United States now has a tax system that requires the richest 400 people in the country -- people who make an average of $176 million a year -- to pay only 17 cents in taxes for every dollar they take in, Johnston said. That is barely more than the 15 cents paid by the average U.S. taxpayer and is the same rate paid by families earning $100,000 to $200,000, he said.I will operate under the assumption that Johnston's numbers are correct. Let's do the math.
If I make $176 million every year and pay 17 percent of my income to the federal government, that's $80,000 shy of thirty million dollars that goes to pay for our supposedly-collapsing federal system.
If I make $200,000 a year, I pay $34,000 a year to the feds. Who's paying more? I bet I could ask my second-grade daughter and she'd know the answer.
Let's assume that the average taxpayer earns $40,000 a year, and thus (according to Johnston) pays 15 percent of his or her income to the IRS. That's $6,000. Which is more -- $34,000 or $6,000? Again, not a difficult question.
And this doesn't even count what those people pay in state and local taxes.
Yes, I understand that in each of those examples, they are left with a decent amount of spendable cash -- $146 million, $166,000 and $34,000, respectively. Yes, I understand that the lower the income, the less take-home pay that's left, and that could be a big burden for low-income households. I sympathize. I've been there. Not that long ago. And frankly, our tax code takes that into account.
My point is this: those who claim the rich aren't paying their fair share don't think about the fact that the rich are paying a boatload of taxes that a typical schmoe like you or me will never see as income, never mind tax burden. When's the last time you wrote a $30 million check to the IRS?
It's kind of like those people who chastise society for not supporting schools. They don't think about the fact that society is already paying to support schools, and may not want to pay more. But that's another story for another time.
5 Comments:
At 2/07/2006 12:35 PM, Anonymous said…
so, if I understand this...
the rich pay 17% while the poor pay 15%...
isn't that still a system where the rich pay a higher percentage than the poor?
how much is enough?
why can't these people just admit that they socialists who believe it is wrong for someone to make more money than someone else?
At 2/07/2006 12:51 PM, Ken said…
I think they yearn for the days of Jimmy Carter, when the top federal tax rate was 70 percent.
At 2/07/2006 1:55 PM, Ken said…
Andrew,
The fact that "progressive taxation" has been around for century does not make it a "bedrock of democracy," nor does it make it right. Opponents of same-sex marriage sometimes use a similar argument by saying marriage should be between a man and a woman because that's the way it's always been; that argument doesn't hold water any more than yours does about taxation.
For you to call tax breaks on the wealthy "absurd...and obscene" is a prime example of class warfare. Why is it that the wealthy don't deserve tax relief? If you were arguing that the wealthy shouldn't get a tax break if the middle class didn't receive one as well, I could follow that argument. If you're hung up on the fact that a hypothetical 10 percent tax cut means that someone paying $10 million in taxes gets a $1 million tax break, while someone paying $10,000 in taxes gets a $1,000 tax break...well, I think it's just unreasonable to oppose that. Why shouldn't that millionaire get a bigger tax break (I'm talking amount paid, not percentage) when he pays 1,000 percent more taxes?
I am not advocating a flat tax (nor am I opposing it, I just haven't learned enough about it), but even if we did have a flat tax, it would likely have a progressive element in it that would exempt low incomes. Beyond that, I fail to understand the argument that says it's OK for me to pay a 25 percent tax rate (or whatever it is), but a millionaire should be penalized for his income by paying ten percent more in taxes. As I said in the original post, if I make $50,000 and get taxed at 25 percent, I pay $12,500 in taxes; if a millionaire pays the same percentage, that's $250,000 in taxes. He's paying five times my annual income. But no, he's actually paying $350,000 because his tax rate is (I think) 35 percent.
If you're advocating Communism or socialism, we know how well those models have worked.
At 2/07/2006 4:05 PM, davidcay said…
Ken and others,
News reports are, of necessity, brief and cannot hit all the fine points in a 90-minute presentation. I think you and some others here have jumped to some big, and wrong, conclusions here by reading too much into the Oregonian's concise account of a few of the many complex points I made.
A few facts you may want to chew on: the tax rates paid by those making $100,000 to $10 million are HIGHER than the rates paid by those making more than $10 million. We can have or not have a system that does this, but I think people ought to know how the tax system actually operates.
And, yes, President Bush eliminated taxes for families iof four making up to about $40,000. I said that in my talk.
The idea of taxation based on ability to pay is not about 100 years old, as one poster put it here, but 2,500 years old. And it is intimately connected with the development of democracy in Athens 2,500 years ago. Aristotle, Plato, Adam Smith the ather of capitalism, David Riccardo...every classic worldly philospher has written in favor of taxation based on ability to pay. There is a moral reason behind this as well as apractuical one involving the marginal utility of the dollar.
To say this is NOT to say that the system we have is good, bad or anything else. It is to discuss a time-tested moral principle, which President Bush says he supports, as a standard against which to think about the mess that is our federal tax system.
Nothing I said, or that the Oregonian reported, supports your writing that I "yearn for" 70 percent marginal rates.
I hope you will take the time to read Perfectly Legal. Congress passed, and President Bush signed into law, five laws to address the tax issues I examine in Perfectly Legal. It won a medal as Investigative Book of 2004 and was a NYTimes and Wall Street Journal bestseller and is used as a text at many colleges.
One of the reasons I wrote this book was to prompt people to think deeply about our tax system, which I show is throwing sand into the gears of commerce, rewarding bad behavior, encouraging the movement of assets outside the country and having other perverse effects.
I do not recommend any specific changes because that is not my role. What I do is present facts, carefully extrtacted from official data that few people examine and fewer analyze.
That these facts prompted so many responses from our elected officials in Washington seems to me a good indication of the substance of my work.
Allbests,
David Cay Johnston
At 2/07/2006 4:07 PM, davidcay said…
P.S. Apologies for the typos. I am using a Kinko's computer with a sticky keyboard.
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